Kingdom of Pets Login See if your question has already been asked. Community / Dog House Training /Puppy house-training plan: sound OK?Puppy house-training plan: sound OK? Posted by lacamps Nov 28, 2010My husband and I are planning on welcoming our first ever puppy into our family: a miniature English bulldog. We haven't had any children yet, so this will be our first shot at child-rearing (sort of) and I'm looking to absorb wisdom from the more experienced dog-owners on the forum before we welcome him home. I've read through the posts and just have a few lingering questions (I've described our plan below with intermitent questions... does it sound OK?) My husband and I both work during the day, and we plan to crate the puppy straight off and line an enclosed area around the crate with training pads for wee and poo needs while we're sleeping and at work. We plan to feed and water the pup in the morning before we leave for work and then take him out 10 minutes after eating to (ideally) take care of business, and then keep him in his enclosure while we are out at work. [B][I]Do we have to wait until the pup has completed his shots before we take him out for a walk? Should we leave the pup a bowl of water in his enclosure while we're gone during the day?[/I][/B] We will feed and water the pup again when we get home after work in the evening and take him out 10 minutes after that. Then we'll spend our evening bonding/playing, change out the pads as needed in his enclosure, and repeat the routine the next day.[B][I] Is it enough to feed and give water to the pup before and after work? If that's not enough for a growing puppy, is it OK to leave water and food for him in his enclosure, or is there a danger of over-eating?[/I][/B] Once the pup grows up a bit and is able to control his bladder, etc., we were hoping to take away the training pads and take him out when we are home before and after work. Is that possible once we've relied so heavily on pads while his puppy bladder is growing? Thanks so much for the advice, Leah Posted by KOPCaroline Nov 29, 2010Hey lacamps, Exciting! Good job on researching pups before you bring yours home. As far as shots go, its better if you keep your pups exposure to the big wide world a bit limited until she's fully vaccinated, especially until she's fully vaccinated for Parvovirus, which can be really nasty. You can have her out in your yard and maybe up and down your sidewalk a bit, but not far at all until she's had her shots Most people start out feeding puppies about 3 times a day, but 2 will do since you and your partner are gone during the day. However, it is important to always allow access to water, dehydration is something you definitely want to avoid. If you're putting pee pads down in her enclosure and can watch her the first couple days so you know she's using them, it shouldnt be a problem at all. I would advise to leave a full water bowl with her when you go in the mornings. Food is fine to give her morning and night when you're home. Most pet foods come with charts advising how much to give depending on age and weight of the dog, so you can always consult those. The rest of your puppy plan sounds good, I wish you luck with it! Definitely let us know if you have any more questions, hope your new furry friend goes well! shots/walk water/food Posted by lacamps Nov 30, 2010Thanks so much for your advice, KOPcaroline! I've read that shots usually come in three rounds, so it's good to know what we should/shouldn't do before the final round's complete. And that's great to know about dehydration--we'll make sure the pup has plenty of water for the day. We were hoping to transition the pup from using pee pads when he's a puppy to peeing/pooing outside during morning and evening walks when he's older and has more control over his bladder. I imagine that kind of transition is tricky--would you be able to share any pointers on making a successful transition, especially anything we can do in the puppy-pad phase to make the switch easier in the future? Thanks, again, for sharing your wisdom! Hope you're having a great week so far! Posted by KOPCaroline Dec 3, 2010Hey lacamps, Transitioning from pee pads to outdoors a few times a day is just about watching her to see when she progresses to only really going a few times a day. I do worry a bit that without anyone to let her out in the middle of the day, you might have accidents, after all, she will keep drinking in the day and therefore need to pee! Watch and see as she goes less and less frequently and you can start to let her out in the morning and leave her til midday, then try and get home at lunch to check? The problem with finding accidents after they happen is that there isn't a great way to correct the dog and have them know what it is they've done wrong. You might be better off to leave her without a pad overnight, let her out in the morning, and just keep a pad with her during the day in case she needs it and you can't have someone there to let her out at least once in the middle of the day. Let us know how you go, and I'm sure other members might have more suggestions. Posted by kjd Feb 7, 2011lacamps! Has the puppy arrived? How is she doing? kjd Posted by lacamps Feb 24, 2011We welcomed Pretzel into our home on Dec 15th, and she's absolutely wonderful. She's such a lovebug and is doing really well with her sits, downs, and stays. But we can't seem to convince her to stop peeing in the house. For the first month and a half or so, we had Pretzel using training pads inside the house since we had to wait for the last batch of shots to take her outside. We put the pad on a towel and set it outside of her crate (crate door always open). At night, we would put a small fence around her crate and the pad so she couldn't wander about. During the day before heading to work, we'd take the fence down and restrict her to the kitchen and leave the pad+towel in the same spot, and we'd come home to a torn up pad... but at least it seemed like she still used the pad and towel for her business (no stray puddles or piles to clean up). When we were home and let her out of the fenced in area, she would do a good job going on her pads and soon she was going exclusively on her pads. Then two things changed: (1) We started to be able to take her outside. She's gotten really at going pee when we take her to her spot and say "Go pee". (2) We bought a pad holder for during the day to discourage her from tearing her pee pads to shreds. Just a small plastic tray that has a frame that locks down to keep the pad in place. Sometime after these two changes, Pretzel has started leaving puddles around the house. We take her out every hour when we're home (despite the fact that she's 4 months old and should be able to hold her pee for at least 4 hours, I've heard), and 95% of the time she pees when we take her out, but she still manages to go pee in the house. And there doesn't appear to be any warning when she doesone second she's playing with her toy, the next she's squattingnone of the tell-tale sniffing or circling. After a few days of coming home from work with puddles and piles to clean up, we started leaving the fence up so she's restricted to her crate and her pad. Luckily it doesn't seem as though she's peed in her crate (thank goodness), so she has no choice but to go on her pad. Since she's restricted to her fenced-in area during the day, we open up the fence and let her walk about when we get home, and we make sure to take her out every hour. But like I said, even with the hourly potty breaks, she stlll pees on the floor. Thanks so much for any advice you're able to share. Other than keeping her confined to her pad area or taking her out every 30 minutes, I'm all out of ideas. Thanks so much, Leah Posted by lacamps Feb 24, 2011We praise and treat her tons when she pees in the correct place. And when she pees inside, she doesn't seem to pee in the same spot; and we make sure to use a pet odor neutralizer to clean her pee puddles. Thanks, again! Leah Posted by KOPCaroline Feb 25, 2011Hey lacamps, So glad things are working out well with your girl. Some dogs do take longer on these things, the key is to be consistent in your training and try to maintain patience. Do you think part of the problem is the peepad cage? Does she seem hesitant to get on it and use it? It might be that Pretzel doesnt like the feel of the cage for standing on, so she pees elsewhere. Is there another way you can use the cage but remove just the top or something? Dogs can have adversions to substrates just like other animals, you might try a different way of keeping the pad in place, or work on training her to leave the pads alone. It might be best to start over again with her housetraining, just to get the habit back into her mind. Its usually best to start over when dogs have relapses about housetraining, or at least backtrack a few steps. Posted by MaxHollyNoah Feb 26, 2011Hi lacamps, I think Pretzel is totally confused - she was first trained to use training pads - then release herself outside - then the pad holder Coincidently, I fostered a 4.5 mos old very timid puppy for a few days (she got adopted yesterday. Her previous foster told me that she was trained to pee on newspaper but she never did on newspaper in my house. Dogs cannot generalize things. She did pee in our yard but when she was inside she released herself on a carpet, rather than the newspaper. On the other hand, she could hold for 7 hrs at night and 7 hrs during the day when I was at work. My husband who works from home tried to take her out for pee but she didn't go and waited until I came home, since she wasn't comfortable with releasing herself when my husband was holding her leash. We kept her in our utility room with a crate in it with the door open. I also had newspapers but she liked to lie down on the paper so the whole room was her living quarter and she didn't want to soil it. That's why she held it for 7 hrs. When I was home, I let her out of the utility room and she was mingling with my dogs and cats, and when I realized that I should take her out, she had already gone (both pee and poop). That was totally my fault that I could not time it right. What I want to tell you that dogs at that age can hold for a few hours so I don't think it's a good idea to take her out every half an hour. Instead, time it right (for example, 5 mins after she ate and 15 mins after she drank water, as soon as she woke up, etc.) and take her out and wait until she does business. Then, keep her in a confined area for a few hours and take her out again. This way, she will get used to do business ONLY outside. She will sleep through the night without pottying. (limit water intake at night). Giving her chances to go potty so often and giving her different ways (outside, on the pad, etc.) will just confuse her, I think. Can you and your husband take turns to come home during the lunch to let her out on weekdays? I do, when my husband is travelling... I just don't think it is good for the animals to be left out for 9-10 hrs... Or, you can have someone come and let her out... I don't know how all the people who work are handling this kind of problem, maybe a doggy door???