Golden Retriever Problem

Posted by adamson76
Nov 16, 2008
Hello!

I just signed up today for the book, and thought I would take advantage of the message boards to see if someone can help me out with my problem.

My wife and I have a 1 year old female golden retriever named Sydney. As most puppies go, she would grab something (rug, dish towel, etc.) and run through the house with it and start chewing on said item. Up until a month or so ago, we would be able to take the item away from her without any problem. On a few occasions recently, she has become extremely reluctant to give up something, and once snapped at my wife. In that case, it was a crumpled up piece of paper that she grabbed.

I've been working with our dog since with the drop/give command with things that she can have, and also with the dish towel, etc. She has done remarkably well since then, but today she grabbed a cat toy and wouldn't give it up. I had to carefully pry her mouth open to get the toy out, and when I did, she showed her teeth, but did not snap at me. I immediately held her down and growled at her, which seemed like it worked because she calmed down right away. I then put her in her kennel for a timeout.

I guess I'm wondering if anyone else has seen this type of behavor before, and what you used to solve it. Sydney is a generally obedient dog, but sometimes I can see that she sees herself as the alpha in the house. I will be the first to admit that I was responsible for that since I gave her more freedom when we first got her, and also did not follow through on corrections when I told her to "sit" or "stay". She has been and will continue to be in obedience classes so that she will realize that she is not in charge.

Thanks for any input that you may have to offer, and I look forward to being a part of this forum.

Mark
Posted by KOPsBecks
Nov 17, 2008
Hey Mark,

First of all, welcome to the forum!
Sydney is developing Possessive aggression, where she is very possessive over things which she believes are hers, eg. the crumpled bit of paper - which seems strange I know as it is of no value to her.
Taking her to classes is a brilliant thing to do to put her in her place and also training her to drop the item she has and let you walk over and pick it up. be careful though, don't take things out of her mouth if you feel you are in danger of being bitten, it is better to work on the drop command and get her to do that every time! Get other people to do it to, so it is not just you who she gives her 'special' toys up to.
I have more information on possessive aggression in my car so will post another reply later on with that.

Becks
Posted by adamson76
Nov 18, 2008
Thanks for the tip. I am 110% committed to training my Sydney to do as I ask on command. Tonight I took her in the backyard and we worked on the "come" command. Usually she will come to me every once in a while when I call her, but tonight she came to me each and every time I called her. I'm guesing that doing the things that I've read in the download, as well as praising the heck out of her when she does come to me has made a difference. I took it one step further tonight, and worked on the "drop" command with her in the house. I first started with a towel and she actually didn't even want to put it in her mouth. As soon as she took it she dropped it. I praised her and gave her a treat each and every time. Next, I crumpled up a piece of paper, and let her take it which she immediately started to chow down on. I told her to "drop", and even though she didn't spit it out right away, she allowed me to take it from her without any issue. I did this a couple of times, and on the last attempt, she actually held the piece of paper in her mouth and when I said "drop", she did immediately. Needless to say, she was showered with praise and a yummy treat. I'm happy to report that although I have a long road to go sitll, I'm pleased so far with the progress made. I look forward to more advice from you!
Posted by MaxHollyNoah
Nov 18, 2008
Hi Mark,

I think possessive agression or resource guarding aggression is a natural behavior of dogs and it is easier to correct it right away before your dog realizes growling/snapping works to keep what she wants. You have been doing a great job on that!

Dogs try to protect anything that they see as his/her resource; it can be a crumpled paper, a chewed up tennis ball, something that has no value to us can be a precious resource for them. Sitting on a couch can be the same thing. One of my foster dogs growled at me when I told him to get off the couch. Another foster dog snapped at our cat when the cat tried to peek in my bag; the dog was guarding my bag and the grocery bags I just brought in.

Obedience training is the key to correct this behavior since it teaches the dog to be obedient to your commands, including "Drop it" and "Leave it".

In the mean time, you can make it as an exchange game; for example, when you play a tug with your dog let her win the rope. Show her another toy or rope and have her exchange the rope she just won with the new rope or toy. By repeating this game, your dog's protective aggression will lessen because she will soon learn that she doesn't need to be protective since you will give her back what she releases. She won't have to be so obsessed with something. The point here is that you will obtain your dog's trust by doing this.

I have 3 dogs and I only give one bone to those dogs. They have learned to take turns. I time it so that each dog gets a few minutes and there is a pecking order. When time is up, I tell him/her to drop the bone and give it to the next dog. Each dog waits for his/her turn nicely since they all know that they will get the bone eventually. They don't show any possessive/resource guarding aggression among them, or to us human beings.

I am sure Sydney will learn the rule very quickly since you caught it early enough and got right on top of it. I am sure she is a very smart and loving dog too!

Good luck!
Posted by MaxHollyNoah
Nov 18, 2008
Just a little clarification about what I wrote last night...

I believe dogs learn a lot from daily routine so what I meant is to create many situations where you and your dog can interact, such as games, etc.

Instead of chasing your dog to get what she has in her mouth, ignore or walk away with a treat, or show her a leash (to go for walk) etc. If your dog loses interest in what she has in her mouth and follow you, it will be great! However, it is still essential to teach her "Leave it" and "Drop it" just in case she's got something dangerous or toxic in her mouth.

When I am cooking all my dogs are by my feet expecting something will fall off the counter. If I drop a piece of onion, I immediately say "Leave it!" so the onion doesn't get touched. It is a very handy command in fact.

Cheers!
Posted by KOPsBecks
Nov 20, 2008
Pick an object to work with, start with an object of no value to the dog.
Ask the dog to sit or lie down and the stay, ensure the dog is relaxed to begin with. Place the object 2 or 3 metres in front of the dog, so that they can see it. Praise your dog for relaxing. Instruct the dog to stay the pick up and quickly return the object. return back to your dog and reward for relaxed behaviour and if it did not move during the exercise. Repeat this exercise again and again each time moving the object closer to the dog in a gradual manner until the object is touching the dogs feet. Each time remember to return to your dog and reward them for being relaxed and not moving.

If at any point the dog picks up the object, instruct your dog to "drop it" and praise for obeying you, if the dog does not drop the object then leave the room, this is punishment as it deprives them of your attention and control of the situation.

Once your dog can do this exercise with an object it doesn't value, repeat again with an object of value eg. the towels or crumpled paper. Continue to repeat the exercise with item of more and more value to your dog, eg. oys and chew bones.

other useful exercises include getting other family members to repeat the exercise, repeating the exercise in different locations, teach your dog to "Take it" and then "Drop it"

Once your dog understands the "Take it", "Drop it" commands you can perform an exercise where you get your dog to take an object and hold it for 1 second and then ask your dog to drop it and praise if they obey. repeat the exercise but increasing the time that you get your dog to hold the object. Once your dog can perform this with an object it does not value then try repeating with objects of value.

Ultimately you should be able to request your dog to take and drop virtually anything.