Husky puppy constantly play biting

Posted by Beth8ny
Dec 27, 2008
Hi, Im new to the forum and I am the proud new owner of a 9 week old siberian husky puppy, Mischa! Mischa is adorable when she is tired, lol, she' also very intelligent and has already mastered some basic training. However, when she is awake she play bites constantly with feet, hands, clothes, furniture, pretty much anything. Me and my partner have both tried the yelping or the "ouch" technique to no avail, if anything it seems to spur her on. If we turn our backs and leave her for a time out she just starts biting our sofa. She doesn't seem to repsond to "no" at all. Ive also tried taking my clothes/hand out of her mouth and giving her a toy but she just tries to go right back to what she was doing before. I have to admit it is getting me down and I often feel like Im about to lose my temper with her which I really don't want.

Any suggestions or similar experiences???? Thanks so much xx
Posted by Beth8ny
Dec 31, 2008
Anyone???

Having re-read the section on playbiting in the book I have been giving a loud yelp and then standing up and turning away from her. She then tugs on my pant leg for about a minute and then gets bored and stops. I'm glad that she is responding to being ignored but what do I do about the pant leg?? Should I be correcting this or carry on ignoring her. Also she pretty much starts up with the biting again when I return and sit down. Will it get better???
Posted by MaxHollyNoah
Jan 10, 2009
Hi Beth8ny,

How is your Husky puppy doing since then?

I thought about the problem and would like to suggest a couple of things:

1) Teach her "Leave it" command. I wrote how to do somewhere else but let me know if you don't know how.

2) Play tug a lot with her but use only one designated toy (such as a rope).

After mastering 1) when she bites your pant leg, tell her to "Leave it" firmly.

When you play tug, teach her to "Drop it" once in a while. If she still pulls, stop pulling and just drop the rope. She will eventually drop it because it is not fun anymore. Praise and start tugging again. This play should be always controlled by YOU, not HER. You are the one to start and to finish. Of course it is OK to play when she brings the rope to you and invite you to join as long as you are in the mood and available. However, if she starts pulling something you are wearing or something she is not supposed to play with, don't ever pull to take it back (such as a dish towel, or a slipper, shoe, etc.).

Let me know how it will go!
Posted by k09
Jan 10, 2009
The best method I've found for this is to shake a pop can filled with a handful of pennies and say "No." Keep the can out of site but within reach so that it comes as a surprise. (This works well when you are walking down stairs and the dog is at your feet as well.) I only had to use the can for a couple of days constantly before the dog realized that the behaviour was unacceptable. She now doesn't do it as much and when she does, she stops when I say no. Everyday the behaviour is less and less.

This seems to work well for a lot of things that I don't want the dog to do, but I use it more for the biting and nipping because I feel that the biting and nipping are really important so someone doesn't get hurt. (I also don't want her to get used to the can and start ignoring it.) When using it for going down the stairs: you know the dog is going to nip and bite so come down the stairs with the can in your hand but behind your back. After you shake it, put it behind your back again. The intensity that you shake the can you can adjust according to your dog's sensitivity to noise. Keeping in mind that when the dog is going absolutely nuts, as my dog sometimes does in a very excited state, you may have to shake a bit harder to bring the dog out of the frenzied state and focussed on you, then say no using a firm voice.

The ignoring the dog works well for jumping up on you. I use it for when we come home and when entering a room. I find that it doesn't work well if you sit down though, you have to remain standing in order to ignore the dog completely and properly. This allows you to ignore the dog doing everyday things rather than just a 30 second turn of the back. It used to take about a half hour for the dog to calm down after we came home or someone else came into a room, we are now down to about 10-15 minutes and sometimes she just comes up to us and sits down, knowing she isn't going to get any affection by jumping, nipping/biting or barking. It is hard sometimes to ignore her as she is so cute but because I have another dog that had been completely haywire for the first 7 years of her life, I am fairly consistent with the new pup on these two issues. It makes life easier and everyone else in the house, as well as guests, more calm and receptive to the pup.

Give it a try and let me know how it works for you.
Posted by Paky
Jan 19, 2009
Hi,
I have a female Rodasian Ridgeback who is constantly biting playfully,nipping, jumping, biting on legs, feet which is painful to me and even more for the kids. I have tried the can tecknique and it got her even more excited barking loudly and jumping at the can in my hand, so I stopped it. I tried pouring a bit of water when she jumps, it worked but it didn't get her into the habbit of not jumping because I can only use it when she is outdoors and I am approaching her. I tried giving her my back , it works when she is jumping, because I can tolerate the jumping and stand still and so she gets bored and goes away but it doesn't work if she's biting the legs, feet, hands, arms because it gets really painful and I start pulling my legs, feet, etc. away saying no loudly or leave it ( which she understands) but it gets her even more excited. I also have 3 kids and when she gets in this playful biting mood which is almost most of the time, the kids start running around , shouting and screaming, which I think even adds more to her excitement and the situation gets worse. Usually it ends up by having her tied to the leash or put away in a separate room untill the kids go to bed which makes me feel very sorry for her. I really need help with that because I want her to be happy, I want my kids to enjoy her company and don't want anyone to get hurt. Thanks for any suggestions.
Posted by John-DuBose
Apr 18, 2011
I can identify with your dilema. I have a 10 month old border collie that has a problem of nipping and biting me when I try to stop playing with him. He has never as much as growled at me in anger but when I end the play session he begins by jumping and biting my hands and arms. This was d as apuppy but now it has escalated to bruised pinches nd on occaision it breaks the skin. I have tried using the "ouch" and turning away but he just gets more excited and nips and tries to grab at me any where he can. If I try to get his collar he just nips at my hand and he thinks the game is on. I try to remember to take a treat out with us to play but if I use it to distract him he just begins again when it is gone. This dog has a strong bond with me and it goes well until he begins to get hyper and he loses any obedience training he has..
Posted by KOPCaroline
Apr 22, 2011
Hi everyone having problems with jumping, nipping dogs!

This is a common problem, as you can tell, with younger dogs especially. There are multiple ways of dealing with this issue, its just about finding which (or which combo) works for your dog.

Obviously the can with stones has been discussed. It doesn't have to be a can, it can be a loud hand clap, a shout, a horn, etc. The idea is that its a loud, abrasive noise that startles the dog and thus stops them doing whatever the bad behaviour is for an instant, in which you get their attention focused on something else. When they startle and look at the noise source, give them another comman (sit, down, whatever) and keep them focused on that. Lots of praises for stopping the bad behaviour and listening!

Ignoring can be a great way to train dogs out of a behaviour, but it doesn't always work on young dogs, who tend to just demand attention any way. Be sure you're not giving visual, physical, or verbal attention to the dog.

Another method I've tried with my own dog is to immediately shut them up by themselves, in a quiet area when they start misbehaving. Its like a time out, or a "sit and think of what you did" for kids You need to shut the dog in a room immediately when they behaviour gets to the point you dont like. Tell the dog no, and then take them to the room/area. You can even use the outside kennel and tie them up for a few minutes if you dont have a room to use in the house. Leave the dog in the room for about 10 minutes, or until they settle down, then let them out again. If they come out and immediately start misbehaving again, they go right back in the room. Be sure to be diligent and pay attention to put them away at the same trigger each time. This worked really well for my dog, he caught on very quickly to stop his being a bad boy (barking at people and being too rowdy in the house).

I hope this helps, be patient and remember that age should help any biting issues especially with your dogs, most grow out of it easily enough, but can use a bit of help along the way. Keep up with giving them appropriate chew toys instead of whatever they are teething on, and be stern! Good luck
Posted by misskris
Jul 15, 2011
Thank you for all this helpful information! I have had my mixed puppy (not sure of the mix but we are SURE she has border collie, aussie, and minpin and some sort of terrier) for one month now. She is my first puppy that I am raising independently, although I have always had family dogs growing up. The opinion of all of my family members as well as myself is that she is the smartest dog (at this age = 3 months) that we have ever owned. Overall, she is wonderful to train, wonderful to have around, and wonderful with visitors and other dogs. The only thing that is of concern to me is her biting. At what point does the "nipping" become a "problem behavior" that is a display of aggression? My family assures me that she is just acting like "a normal puppy" and that if I carry out the discipline routines then she will be fine. Only thing, I'm noticing that like someone said earlier on this thread, the shrill yelps cause her to get MORE excited and when she bites, she actually looks aggressive, like sometimes, her lips pull back and she really looks like she's aiming to hurt me. She never growls, however, or squints her eyes, the movement is all in her mouth and lips.
Is THIS normal puppy behavior? I am so determined to train her well and to assure that she doesn't become aggressive to other people or dogs. I have been working really hard to socialize her so that doesn't happen, but I want to be sure to have all the warning signs so I can nip problem behaviors in the bud. I have been working with her every day, almost all day since I'm on summer break and it seems that the biting has not subsided, in fact, might be getting worse. Is there anything that you can suggest? The pennies in a can method does scare her, but will I be overdoing it (and thus causing the scare factor to be lost) if I do it every time she bites?
Do you suggest picking one way and sticking to it or trying all the suggestions given in this thread and on other threads in the forum?
Thanks so much everyone!
Posted by MaxHollyNoah
Jul 15, 2011
Hi misskris,

Congratulations on your new addition to the family! Puppies are so cute but they are handful when they are awake

I also have a 3 mos old foster puppy and he has been doing really well. I have enrolled him in a puppy class and he has been not only learning basic commands but also being socialized with other pups and their owners.

I strongly recommend you start taking your pup to one of those classes.

I understand biting/nipping really bothers us people and it hurts a lot especially with those tiny baby teeth

Does your pup have a play mate? It is best to have other pups and dogs to play bite. Fortunately my foster pup gets to bite one of my older dogs who tells him to stop when it gets too much.

Biting is a natural behavior of puppies so I am not so worried but they need to learn what they can bite and what they shouldn't. What I have been doing is to offer him alternate things to bite whenever he bites my hand, pajama pants, etc. When puppies are teething, they need something to bite; Kongs, Nylobones, lawhides, hooves, stuffed toys, squeaky toys, tennis balls, etc.

When your pup bites you, tell her "No" in a firm and calm voice and give her something else to bite. Being so smart (being a border collie mix) she will learn this rather quickly because she minds your being upset. When she keeps biting you, give her a time-out. That would hurt her feeling and eventually she will learn not to get you upset to avoid the time-out (which is a punishment without physically hurting her).

Here is a photo of Holly babysitting Jake my 3 mos old foster pup
Posted by MaxHollyNoah
Jul 15, 2011
Hi misskris,

Congratulations on your new addition to the family! Puppies are so cute but they are handful when they are awake

I also have a 3 mos old foster puppy and he has been doing really well. I have enrolled him in a puppy class and he has been not only learning basic commands but also being socialized with other pups and their owners.

I strongly recommend you start taking your pup to one of those classes.

I understand biting/nipping really bothers us people and it hurts a lot especially with those tiny baby teeth

Does your pup have a play mate? It is best to have other pups and dogs to play bite. Fortunately my foster pup gets to bite one of my older dogs who tells him to stop when it gets too much.

Biting is a natural behavior of puppies so I am not so worried but they need to learn what they can bite and what they shouldn't. What I have been doing is to offer him alternate things to bite whenever he bites my hand, pajama pants, etc. When puppies are teething, they need something to bite; Kongs, Nylobones, lawhides, hooves, stuffed toys, squeaky toys, tennis balls, etc.

When your pup bites you, tell her "No" in a firm and calm voice and give her something else to bite. Being so smart (being a border collie mix) she will learn this rather quickly because she minds your being upset. When she keeps biting you, give her a time-out. That would hurt her feeling and eventually she will learn not to get you upset to avoid the time-out (which is a punishment without physically hurting her).

I am attaching a few photos of Jake biting Chelsea, his playmate and Holly, his big sister who is teaching him how to play in good manner
Posted by misskris
Jul 15, 2011
Hi!

Thank you so much!!! I am enrolled in puppy class, scheduled to begin next week Wednesday. It seems so far away! haha. I'm really excited to get going with it. Thank you so much for your advice. I will definitely try the time-out. I have been shaking the soda can filled with coins when her biting gets really bad, like when she starts growling and jumping along with the biting, but I didn't want to desensitize her to it, so I don't want to do it every time. And she loves her nylabones to chew on, but I think she likes cardboard boxes the best. haha...i hope that isn't bad for her health?!?

In regards to the time-out, would it be ok to still do the shake can thing WITH the time-out, or do you think it would be better to just focus on one type of consequence at a time as to not confuse her?

Congratulations on your puppy, rescue dogs are totally the way to go. If my friend hadn't been searching for a good home for this pup, I would have totally looked into rescuing a dog from the ASPCA. There needs to be more people like you!

I had one more question, but I will post a new thread.
thanks!
kris